ARM’d and dangerous pt. 2: FreeBSD on the Pinebook (aarch64)

In February I wrote about real aarch64 server hardware. My interest in the ARM platform has not decreased – and this month I finally got my Pinebook shipped.

[update] I’ve updated the post from 05-24 to the 05-31 version.[/update]

Aarch64

I’ve always been interested in alternatives to common solutions – not just with open source operating systems, but also with architectures. Sure, ARM is pretty much ubiquitous when it comes to mobile devices. But when it comes to servers or PCs, there’s a total dominance of the amd64 (“x86_64”) architecture. However in times of Meltdown, Spectre, Zombie Load and such it might well be worth to take a closer look at alternative platforms, even if it’s not your primary interest.

Arm Holdings is a UK-based company that designs processors and licenses them. There have been multiple revisions of the architecture, like ARMv6 and ARMv7. Both are 32-bit architectures used e.g. in the popular Raspberry Pi and Raspberry Pi 2. ARMv8 is the first 64-bit version and is available in form of the Raspberry Pi 3 among others. The incredible success of those small single-board computers lead to a whole lot of spin-offs.

Pine64

While a lot of the competitors specialize in extremely cheap Pi clones with a few improvements (and too often with their own problems), one of the better alternatives comes from Pine64. They don’t just sell hardware that works with one custom-compiled Linux kernel which rarely (or never) gets any upgrades. On the contrary: They are trying to build a community around the hardware dedicated to do cool things with it and eventually blaze a trail for high-quality ARM-based alternative hardware.

One really compelling offer is that of the Pinebook. While it’s nothing special to use one of the little single-board computers for a media station or things like that, a real laptop is something way different. Especially as the company behind Pine64 decided to sell it at cost to people of the Linux and *BSD communities! It really is a $99 (plus shipping) 11.6″ laptop. Definitely a nice idea to steer the community. Especially since they announced a Pinebook Pro, a tablet, a phone and so on during this year’s FOSDEM. I’m not sure when they will be available, though.

There’s only one “problem” with the Pinebook: You cannot buy it regularly. If you are interested in purchasing one, you need to register on the site and when a new batch is to be made, you get a coupon code that can be used to actually place an order. Sometime last year I decided that this sounded pretty interesting and requested a coupon. I got notified in February or so and eventually the laptop was shipped in May.

Pinebook

Here’s some info on the specs (see here for the full specifications):

  • Allwinner A64 Quad Core SOC with Mali 400 MP2 GPU
  • 2GB LPDDR3 RAM
  • 16GB of eMMC (upgradable)
  • 2x USB 2.0 Host
  • Lithium Polymer Battery (10000mAH)
  • Stereo Speakers
  • WiFi 802.11bgn + Bluetooth 4.0

Also they offered a 1366×768 display. When my Pinebook arrived, I was in for a surprise, though: They had upgraded this model to use an 1920×1080 IPS which is really nice! The low resolution of the original model was one of the things that made me think twice before buying. Glad that I chose to go ahead.

A Pinebook 1080p

The Pinebook comes with KDE Neon preinstalled. It’s apparently a Debian-based distro with the latest Plasma Workspaces desktop. I opened Firefox and was able to browse the net – but I didn’t buy this laptop to use boring Linux. 😉 Let’s try something more exciting where not all the devices work, yet!

Preparation

The Pinebook is new enough that it’s not supported with any FreeBSD release at this time. So you have to use the development branch known as -CURRENT. Right now it’s 13-CURRENT and it’s the exciting branch where all the latest features, fixes and improvements go. The FreeBSD project provides snapshots for developers or people who are willing to test bleeding edge code. Needless to say that by doing this you install an OS that is not at all meant for daily usage. It should not hold important data or anything. This is tinkering with some cool stuff – no more no less.

You need a computer that can make use of micro SD cards (or SD cards by using an adapter that usually comes with micro SDs). A 4 GB card suffices but anything bigger is also fine.

Get a snapshot and the checksum file from here (e.g. CHECKSUM.SHA512-FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447 and FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447.img.xz)

Since there are differences with the various ARM-based platforms, make sure you get the right one for the Pinebook. Each file contains a date (2019-05-31 in this case) and a revision number (r348447) so you know when the snapshot was created and what version of the code in Subversion it was built from.

Once you downloaded both files, verify the checksum and decompress the archive:

% shasum -c CHECKSUM.SHA512-FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447
% xz -dvv FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447.img.xz

Now dd the image onto a micro SD card. Be absolutely sure that you dd over the right device – if you don’t, you can easily lose data that you wanted to keep! In my case the right device is mmcsd0, substitute it for yours. Get the image written with the following command (FreeBSD versions before 12.0 do not support the “progress” option – leave out the “status=progress” in this case):

# dd if=FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447.img of=/dev/mmcsd0 bs=1m status=progress

FreeBSD

Now insert the micro SD card into your Pinebook and turn it on. It should boot off of the card and right into FreeBSD. You might see some scary looking messages like lock order reversals and things like that which you are probably not used too. Welcome to -CURRENT! Since you are testing a development snapshot, this version of FreeBSD has some diagnostic features enabled that are helpful in pinning down bugs (and eventually fixing them). If you’re just an advanced user (like me) and not a developer, ignore them.

Log in as root with the password root. Take a look around and if everything seems to work, power the device off again:

# shutdown -p now

On first boot, the partition holding the primary filesystem is grown to the maximum available space and the filesystem is, too. Let’s put the card back into the other computer and have a look at the partitions:

# gpart show mmcsd0
=>      63  15493057  mmcsd0  MBR  (7.4G)
        63      2016          - free -  (1.0M)
      2079    110502       1  fat32lba  [active]  (54M)
    112581  15378491       2  freebsd  (7.3G)
  15491072      2048          - free -  (1.0M)

# gpart show mmcsd0s2
=>       0  15378491  mmcsd0s2  BSD  (7.3G)
         0        59            - free -  (30K)
        59  15378432         1  freebsd-ufs  (7.3G)

As you can see, the FreeBSD slice is now > 7 GB in size, even though the original image was a lot smaller to fit onto a 4 GB card. Now that we have enough usable space, let’s mount the filesystem (the only one on the second slice) and copy the image over:

# mount /dev/mmcsd0s2a /mnt
# cp FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447.img /mnt
# umount /mnt

Putting FreeBSD on the Pinebook

Put the micro SD card back into the Pinebook and boot off of it. Let’s see how many storage devices there are:

# geom disk list
Geom name: mmcsd0
Providers:
1. Name: mmcsd0
   Mediasize: 7932477440 (7.4G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Stripesize: 4194304
   Stripeoffset: 0

[...]

Geom name: mmcsd1
Providers:
1. Name: mmcsd1
   Mediasize: 15518924800 (14G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Stripesize: 512
   Stripeoffset: 0

[...]

Alright, mmcsd0 is the SD card and mmcsd1 is the internal eMMC, which is a bit bigger. To “install” FreeBSD on the device (and erase Linux) just dd the image onto the internal storage, shut down the system and eject the card:

# cd /
# dd if=FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20190531-r348447.img of=/dev/mmcsd1 status=progress
# shutdown -p now

Now the depenguinization of your device is complete! Power it on again and it’ll boot FreeBSD off the eMMC.

If you get tired of this system, try another. Go to the pine64 website and browse through the “Partner Projects” tab. You’ll certainly find other interesting operating systems or distributions to install.

Status of FreeBSD on the Pinebook

So what works on FreeBSD currently and what doesn’t? I’ve read about screen flickering on the console and things like that. But from what I can say, those issues are gone. The console works well even on my 1080p model. X11 works as well and I’ve tested various desktop environments. Building packages from ports works, but of course this is not the kind of hardware that’s best fit for that.

What did NOT work is e.g. Firefox – it crashes. Also sound is not working, yet.

I didn’t test WLAN or Bluetooth since I’m using a USB to LAN adapter to access the net. For the dmesg output see the end of this post.

What’s next?

I’ll stick to FreeBSD on the Pinebook and if that is your special interest, too, feel free to contact me. My current plan is to write about configuring a fresh systems, packages and a project that I started for the Pinebook (lite packages and the corresponding ports options light”).

dmesg.boot

------
KDB: debugger backends: ddb
KDB: current backend: ddb
Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r348447 GENERIC arm64
FreeBSD clang version 8.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_800/final 356365) (based on LLVM 8.0.0)
WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance.
VT(efifb): resolution 1920x1080
KLD file umodem.ko is missing dependencies
Starting CPU 1 (1)
Starting CPU 2 (2)
Starting CPU 3 (3)
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs
arc4random: WARNING: initial seeding bypassed the cryptographic random device because it was not yet seeded and the knob 'bypass_before_seeding' was enabled.
random: entropy device external interface
MAP 47ef4000 mode 2 pages 24
MAP b8f2f000 mode 2 pages 1
MAP b8f31000 mode 2 pages 1
MAP bdf50000 mode 2 pages 16
kbd0 at kbdmux0
ofwbus0: 
clk_fixed0:  on ofwbus0
clk_fixed1:  on ofwbus0
simplebus0:  on ofwbus0
rtc0:  mem 0x1f00000-0x1f003ff irq 52,53 on simplebus0
rtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s
regfix0:  on ofwbus0
regfix1:  on ofwbus0
ccu_a64ng0:  mem 0x1c20000-0x1c203ff on simplebus0
ccu_sun8i_r0:  mem 0x1f01400-0x1f014ff on simplebus0
psci0:  on ofwbus0
aw_sid0:  mem 0x1c14000-0x1c143ff on simplebus0
iichb0:  mem 0x1f03400-0x1f037ff irq 57 on simplebus0
iicbus0:  on iichb0
gic0:  mem 0x1c81000-0x1c81fff,0x1c82000-0x1c83fff,0x1c84000-0x1c85fff,0x1c86000-0x1c87fff irq 49 on simplebus0
gic0: pn 0x2, arch 0x2, rev 0x1, implementer 0x43b irqs 224
gpio0:  mem 0x1c20800-0x1c20bff irq 23,24,25 on simplebus0
gpiobus0:  on gpio0
aw_nmi0:  mem 0x1f00c00-0x1f00fff irq 54 on simplebus0
iichb1:  mem 0x1f02400-0x1f027ff irq 55 on simplebus0
iicbus1:  on iichb1
gpio1:  mem 0x1f02c00-0x1f02fff irq 56 on simplebus0
gpiobus1:  on gpio1
axp8xx_pmu0:  at addr 0x746 irq 59 on iicbus0
gpiobus2:  on axp8xx_pmu0
generic_timer0:  irq 4,5,6,7 on ofwbus0
Timecounter "ARM MPCore Timecounter" frequency 24000000 Hz quality 1000
Event timer "ARM MPCore Eventtimer" frequency 24000000 Hz quality 1000
a10_timer0:  mem 0x1c20c00-0x1c20c2b irq 8,9 on simplebus0
Timecounter "a10_timer timer0" frequency 24000000 Hz quality 2000
aw_syscon0:  mem 0x1c00000-0x1c00fff on simplebus0
awusbphy0:  mem 0x1c19400-0x1c19413,0x1c1a800-0x1c1a803,0x1c1b800-0x1c1b803 on simplebus0
cpulist0:  on ofwbus0
cpu0:  on cpulist0
cpufreq_dt0:  on cpu0
cpu1:  on cpulist0
cpu2:  on cpulist0
cpu3:  on cpulist0
aw_thermal0:  mem 0x1c25000-0x1c250ff irq 10 on simplebus0
a31dmac0:  mem 0x1c02000-0x1c02fff irq 11 on simplebus0
aw_mmc0:  mem 0x1c0f000-0x1c0ffff irq 15 on simplebus0
mmc0:  on aw_mmc0
aw_mmc1:  mem 0x1c10000-0x1c10fff irq 16 on simplebus0
mmc1:  on aw_mmc1
aw_mmc2:  mem 0x1c11000-0x1c11fff irq 17 on simplebus0
mmc2:  on aw_mmc2
ehci0:  mem 0x1c1a000-0x1c1a0ff irq 19 on simplebus0
usbus0: EHCI version 1.0
usbus0 on ehci0
ohci0:  mem 0x1c1a400-0x1c1a4ff irq 20 on simplebus0
usbus1 on ohci0
ehci1:  mem 0x1c1b000-0x1c1b0ff irq 21 on simplebus0
usbus2: EHCI version 1.0
usbus2 on ehci1
ohci1:  mem 0x1c1b400-0x1c1b4ff irq 22 on simplebus0
usbus3 on ohci1
gpioc0:  on gpio0
uart0:  mem 0x1c28000-0x1c283ff irq 31 on simplebus0
uart0: console (115384,n,8,1)
pwm0:  mem 0x1c21400-0x1c217ff on simplebus0
pwmbus0:  on pwm0
pwmc0:  on pwm0
iic0:  on iicbus1
gpioc1:  on gpio1
gpioc2:  on axp8xx_pmu0
iic1:  on iicbus0
aw_wdog0:  mem 0x1c20ca0-0x1c20cbf irq 58 on simplebus0
cryptosoft0: 
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
usbus0: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0
usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0
ugen0.1:  at usbus0
ugen1.1:  at usbus1
uhub0:  on usbus1
uhub1:  on usbus0
usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0
usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0
ugen2.1:  at usbus2
uhub2:  on usbus2
ugen3.1:  at usbus3
uhub3:  on usbus3
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
uhub0: 1 port with 1 removable, self powered
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
uhub3: 1 port with 1 removable, self powered
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
mmc0: No compatible cards found on bus
aw_mmc0: Spurious interrupt - no active request, rint: 0x00000004

aw_mmc1: Cannot set vqmmc to 33000003300000
uhub1: 1 port with 1 removable, self powered
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
uhub2: 1 port with 1 removable, self powered
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
mmc1: No compatible cards found on bus
aw_mmc1: Spurious interrupt - no active request, rint: 0x00000004

aw_mmc2: Cannot set vqmmc to 33000003300000
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_DATA_END_BIT_ERR
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
AW_MMC_INT_RESP_TIMEOUT 
mmcsd0: 16GB  at mmc2 52.0MHz/8bit/4096-block
mmcsd0boot0: 4MB partion 1 at mmcsd0
mmcsd0boot1: 4MB partion 2 at mmcsd0
mmcsd0rpmb: 4MB partion 3 at mmcsd0
Release APs...done
CPU  0: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4 affinity:  0
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/rootfs [rw]...
 Instruction Set Attributes 0 = 
 Instruction Set Attributes 1 = 
         Processor Features 0 = 
         Processor Features 1 = 
      Memory Model Features 0 = 
      Memory Model Features 1 = 
      Memory Model Features 2 = 
             Debug Features 0 = 
             Debug Features 1 = 
         Auxiliary Features 0 = 
         Auxiliary Features 1 = 
CPU  1: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4 affinity:  1
CPU  2: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4 affinity:  2
CPU  3: ARM Cortex-A53 r0p4 affinity:  3
WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance.
ugen2.2:  at usbus2
uhub4:  on usbus2
random: randomdev_wait_until_seeded unblock wait
uhub4: 4 ports with 1 removable, self powered
ugen2.3:  at usbus2
ukbd0 on uhub4
ukbd0:  on usbus2
kbd1 at ukbd0
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
ums0 on uhub4
ums0:  on usbus2
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
ums0: 5 buttons and [XYZT] coordinates ID=1
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
hid_get_item: Number of items(1039) truncated to 1024
ugen2.4:  at usbus2
random: randomdev_wait_until_seeded unblock wait
random: unblocking device.
GEOM_PART: mmcsd0s2 was automatically resized.
  Use `gpart commit mmcsd0s2` to save changes or `gpart undo mmcsd0s2` to revert them.
lock order reversal:
 1st 0xffff000040a26ff8 bufwait (bufwait) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:3904
 2nd 0xfffffd00011a1400 dirhash (dirhash) @ /usr/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_dirhash.c:289
stack backtrace:
#0 0xffff0000004538a0 at witness_debugger+0x64
#1 0xffff0000003f7f9c at _sx_xlock+0x7c
#2 0xffff00000068879c at ufsdirhash_add+0x38
#3 0xffff00000068b0d8 at ufs_direnter+0x3c4
#4 0xffff000000691b14 at ufs_rename+0xb7c
#5 0xffff000000755b60 at VOP_RENAME_APV+0x90
#6 0xffff0000004c1678 at kern_renameat+0x304
#7 0xffff000000718448 at do_el0_sync+0x4fc
#8 0xffff0000006ff200 at handle_el0_sync+0x84
lo0: link state changed to UP
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Rusted ravens: Ravenports march 2019 status update

It’s been a couple of months since I last wrote about Ravenports, the universal *nix application building framework. Not exactly being a slowly moving project, a lot has happened since then.

Platform support

Raven currently supports DragonFly BSD, FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris/Illumos, the latter being only in the form of binary packages (except for when you have access to an installation of Solaris 10u8 – which can be used to build packages, too).

People following the project will notice the lack of macOS/Darwin support mentioned here. This is not a mistake as support for that platform has been put on hold for now. While Raven has successfully been bootstrapped on macOS before, the developers have lost access to any macOS machines and thus cannot continue support for it.

This does not mean that platform is gone forever. It might be resurrected at a later point in time if given access to a Mac again. The adventurous can even try to bootstrap Raven on different platforms now as the process has been documented (with macOS as the example).

I intended to do some work on bootstrapping Raven on FreeBSD/ARM64 – only to find that FreeBSD unfortunately still has a long way before making that platform tier 1. At work I had access to server-class ARM64 hardware, but current versions of FreeBSD have trouble booting up and I could not get the network running at all (if you’re interested in the details see my previous post). I’m still hoping for reactions on the mailing list but until upstream FreeBSD is fixed on ThunderX trying to bootstrap does not make much sense.

Toolchain and package updates

The toolchain used by Ravenports has been updated to GCC 8.3 and Binutils 2.32 on all four supported platforms (access to Mac was lost before the toolchain update).

As usual, Solaris needed a bit of extra treatment but up to date compiler and tools are available for it now, too. Even better: The linker from the LLVM project (lld) is available and usable on Solaris/Illumos now as well. Since it takes several hours (!) to link on Solaris, a mostly static lld executable was added to the sysroot package for that platform. This way this long-building package does not have to be rebuilt as often.

Packages have been rebuilt with this bleeding-edge toolchain (plus the usual fallout has been collected and fixed). So if you are using Raven, you are making use of the latest compiler technology with the best in optimization. Of course a lot of effort went into providing the most current versions of the packaged software, too (at least where that is feasible).

On the desktop side of things I’ve added the awesome window manager to the list of available software. It’s actually my WM of choice, but not too many people are into tiling so I postponed this one for after making Xfce available. Work on bringing in more Lua-related ports for an advanced configuration it is ongoing, but the WM is already usable as it is now.

I’ve also done a bit of less visible work, going back to many ports that I created previously and added in missing license info. This work is also not completed, yet, but the situation is improving, of course.

Rust!

One of the big drawbacks of Ravenports as stated last time, was the lack of the Rust compiler. This effectively meant a showstopper for things like current versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, librsvg, etc. The great news is that this blocker has been mostly removed: Rust is available via Raven for Dragonfly, FreeBSD and Linux! Solaris/Illumos support is pending, I think that any helping hand would be greatly appreciated.

Bringing in Rust was a big project on its own. Adding an initial bootstrap package for Dragonfly alone took months (thank you, Mr. Neumann!). The first working version of the port made Rust 1.31 available. It has since been updated to version 1.32 and 1.33 and John has added functionality to the Raven framework to work with Rust’s crates as well as scripts to assist with future updates. Taking all of that into consideration, Rust support in Raven is already pretty good for the short time that we have it.

Eventually even a port for Firefox landed – as of now it’s marked broken, though. The reason is that while it does compile just fine, the program crashes when actually started. The exact cause for this is yet unknown. If anybody with some debugging abilities has a little time on his hands, nailing down what happens would be a task that a lot of people will be benefit from for sure!

Updated ravenadm

Ravenadm, the Ravenports administration tool, has seen several updates with new features. Some have brought internal changes or new features necessary for new or updated packages. One example is a project-wide fix for ports that build with Meson: Before the change many programs needed special treatment to make Meson honor the rpath for the resulting binaries. Now Raven can automatically take care of this, saving us a whole bunch of sed commands in the specification file. Another new feature is the “Solaris functions” mechanism which can automatically fix certain functions that required generating patches before. Certainly also very nice to have!

Probably my favorite new feature is that Ravenadm now supports concurrent processes in several cases: While you cannot start a second set of package builds at the same time for obvious reasons, it is now possible to ask Ravenadm in which bucket a certain port lives, sort manifests, and such while building packages! I cannot say how much the previous behavior got in my way while doing porting work… This makes porting much, much more pleasant.

A last improvement that I want to mention here is a rather simple one – however one that has a huge impact. Newer versions of Ravenadm put all license-related texts into the logs! This means you can simply look at the log and see if e.g. the terms got extracted correctly. Before you had to use the ENTERAFTER option to enter an interactive build session and look at the extracted file. This is a huge improvement for porters.

SSL

Another big and most likely unique feature added to Raven recently is SSL autoselection. Raven has had autoselection facilities for Python, Ruby and Perl for about a year now. The latter allow for multiple versions of the interpreters to be installed in parallel and take care of calling the actual binary with the same parameters, preferring the newest version over older ones (until configured differently).

Raven supports LibreSSL, OpenSSL as well as LibreSSL-devel and OpenSSL-devel. Before the change, you could select the SSL library to use in the profile and it would be used to link all packages against it. Now we have even more flexibility: You can e.g. build all the packages against LibreSSL by default and just fall back to OpenSSL for the few packages that really require it!

And in fact Raven takes it all one step further: You can have OpenSSL 1.0.2 and OpenSSL 1.1.1 (which introduced braking changes) installed in parallel and use packages on the same system where some require the new version and some that cannot use it, yet! Pretty nice, huh?

Future work

Of course there are still enough rough edges that require work. Probably the most pressing issue is to get Firefox working so Raven’s users can have access to a convenient and modern browser. There are also quite some programs which need ports created for them. The goal here is to provide the most critical programs to allow Dragonfly to make the switch from Dports to Ravenports for the official packages.

On FreeBSD Filezilla does not currently work: It cannot be built with GCC due to a compiler bug in GCC 7.x and 8.x. Therefore it is a special port that get’s build with Clang instead. The problem is that libfilezilla needs to be built with the same toolchain – and that cannot currently be built with Clang using Raven…

Raven on Linux has some packages not available due to additional dependencies on that platform. I begun adding some Linux-specific ports but lost motivation to do so pretty fast (there are enough other things after all). Also the package manager is still causing pain, randomly crashing.

Solaris is also missing quite some packages. This is due to additional patches being required for a lot of software to build properly. Ravenports tries to support this platform as good as possible; however this could surely be improved if anybody using Solaris or an Illumos distribution as his or her OS of choice would start using Raven and giving feedback or even contribute.

Get in touch!

Interested in Raven? Get in touch with us! There is an official IRC channel now (#ravenports on Freenode) which is probably the best place to talk to other Raven users or the porters and developers. You can of course also send an email.

If you want to contribute, there is now a new “Customsource” repository on GitHub that you can create pull requests against. Feel free to contribute anything from finished ports that might only need polish to WIP ports that are important for you but you got stuck with.

There are many other means of helping with the than project then doing porting work, though. Open issues if you find problems with packages or have an idea. Also tell us if you read the wiki and found something hard to understand. Or if you could use a tutorial for something – just ping me. Asking doesn’t hurt and chances are that I can write something up.

Got something else that I didn’t talk about here? Tell us anyway. We’re pretty approachable and less elitist than you might think people who work on new package systems would be! 😉

ARM’d and dangerous: FreeBSD on Cavium ThunderX (aarch64)

While I don’t remember for how many years I’ve had an interest in CPU architectures that could be an alternative to AMD64, I know pretty well when I started proposing to test 64-bit ARM at work. It was shortly after the disaster named Spectre / Meltdown that I first dug out server-class ARM hardware and asked whether we should get one such server and run some tests with it.

While the answer wasn’t a clear “no” it also wasn’t exactly “yes”. I tried again a few times over the course of 2018 and each time I presented some more points why I thought it might be a good thing to test this. But still I wasn’t able to get a positive answer. Finally in January 2019 year I got a definitive answer – and it was “yes, go ahead”! The fact that Amazon had just presented their Graviton ARM Processor may have helped the decision.

Getting my hands on an ARM64 server

Eventually a Gigabyte R120-T32 was ordered and arrived at our Data Center in early February. It wasn’t perfect timing at all since there are quite a few important projects running currently which draw just about all the resources that we currently have. Still we put together a draft of an evaluation sheet with quite a few things to test. There are a lot of “yes / no” things and some that require performance measurements.

We set aside a few hours to put some drives into the machine, put it into the rack, configure the EFI and get BMC/IPMI working. We quickly found that there was no firmware update or anything available, so we should be good to go. However… The IPMI console (Java…) is not working at all. A few colleagues that have different Linux distros running on their workstations tried to access it – but no luck. It looks like a problem with too new Java versions (*sigh*). I didn’t even try it with my BSD workstation: I could never get Supermicro IPMIs to work – even on AMD64. So for me it’s Linux in Bhyve for that kind of task (if anybody has any idea on how to get IPMI console access working on FreeBSD please let me know!!).

Our common installation procedure for special servers involves a little device that stores CD/DVD images and presents a virtual optical drive to the machine. Since ARM64 machines usually don’t have optical drives anymore, there are no CD images available for that architecture. Fortunately it’s not that complicated to prepare a USB thumb drive instead.

Once that was done I was able to confirm that remote administration using SoL (“Serial over LAN”) worked, so I could start playing around with the new server it in my free time.

Hello Beastie!

Being our company’s “BSD guy”, it was pretty obvious that testing FreeBSD on the machine (even if it’s only for comparison reasons with Linux) would by my natural task. FreeBSD on ARM64 is currently a tier 2 platform. However it has been the plan for several years now to eventually make it tier 1 – i.e. a perfectly well supported platform. Even better: The Cavium ThunderX was selected as the reference platform for ARM64 and a partnership established between Cavium and the FreeBSD foundation! So doing a few tests there should be a piece of cake, right?

I booted the machine with the USB stick attached. Just as expected, there’s no working VGA console support (this is pretty much the default when working with ARM). The SoL connection worked, though and showed the nice beastie menu! “Off to a good start”, I thought. I was wrong.

The loader did its job of loading the kernel and… that’s where everything stopped. I rebooted again and again, trying to set loader tunables to get the system to boot (need I mention that the machine literally takes minutes to execute EFI stuff before it gets to the loader?). No luck whatsoever. The line “Entered …. EfiSelReportStatusCode Value: 3101019” was always the last thing printed to the screen. And also waiting for minutes the machine didn’t do anything afterwards.

“Maybe that status code shows that something is wrong?” I thought. A quick search on the net revealed a console log for NetBSD booting on the same hardware. It printed the same line but the kernel obviously did it’s thing. Weird – and quite discouraging. At this point I had no more ideas that I could try and was about to accept that it “just didn’t work”. Then I read a post to the FreeBSD-arm mailing list: Somebody else had the same problem! However it looked like nobody had a solution – there was not a single answer to that mail… But the post included one important piece of information: FreeBSD 11.2 did work?

FreeBSD 11.2

Ok, that would be a lot better than nothing. So I downloaded the 11.2 image, dd’d it to the stick and booted. This time there was no beastie (before 12.0 FreeBSD used a different loader on ARM) – but the kernel booted! I even got to the installer, Yay!

I did a fairly simple install like I often do it. The big difference was that I couldn’t configure the network. But let’s leave that for later, shall we? The installation completed and I rebooted. The loader appeared, the kernel booted and… Bam! The system is unable to import the pool! Too bad…

So I booted the stick again, did a second install choosing UFS instead of ZFS. This time FreeBSD would boot successfully into the new system and allow me to log in. Unfortunately no NICs were detected – and a server without network connectivity is rather… boring. What now?

After a bit of research on the net I learned about LIQUIDIO(4), the “Cavium 10Gb/25Gb Ethernet driver”. Sounded great. However the manpage says that it “first appeared in FreeBSD 12.0”. *sigh* Looks like I have to upgrade to 12.0 somehow.

FreeBSD 12?

I downloaded the source for the latest 12.0 from the releng branch, put it on a stick and attached it to the ARM server. That alone – I didn’t even get to import the pool – was enough to make the system panic! Oh great…

A UFS formatted stick then? Yes, that worked. I transferred the source, built the system, installed the kernel and saw that familiar line: “Entered …. EfiSelReportStatusCode Value: 3101019”. Obviously it’s not the images that are broken but actually FreeBSD 12.0 is…

What’s next? Let’s try 12-STABLE. Maybe the problem is fixed there. Unless… The installed kernel is broken and trying to boot kernel.old does not work! Oh excellent, it looks like “make installkernel” did not create any backup! This probably makes a lot of sense on small ARM devices, but it doesn’t make any in this case. Now I’m in for another reinstall.

After reinstalling 11.2 I did “cp /boot/kernel /boot/kernel.11” – just in case. Then I transferred the code for 12-STABLE onto the machine and built it. You would probably nave guessed it by now: It’s broken.

HEADaches

The next day at work I organized a USB to ethernet adapter and configured ue0 so that I could finally ssh into the OS. That felt a lot better and I could also use svnlite directly to checkout the source code. Quite some time later I had built and installed -CURRENT. But would it work? Nope!

Now this was all very unfortunate. But I happen to like FreeBSD and really want it to work on ARM64, too. Just waiting for somebody to fix it didn’t sound like a good strategy, however. The hardware is still pretty exotic and if just one person reported breakage in the final days of RCs for 12.0, it’s pretty clear that not too many developers have access to it to test things regularly… So I figured that I should try to find out exactly when HEAD broke. That would most likely be helpful information.

Alright… r302409 was the commit that turned HEAD into 12-CURRENT. Let’s make sure that this version still works – otherwise it would mean that 11.0 on ThunderX was fixed after branching off HEAD. Seems very unlikely, but making sure wouldn’t hurt, right?

usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ranlib -D libc_pic.a
--- libc.so.7.full ---
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: getutxent.So(.debug_info+0x3c): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol udb                                                                                   
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: getutxent.So(.debug_info+0x59): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol uf                                                                                    
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: utxdb.So(.debug_info+0x5c): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol futx_to_utx.ut                                                                            
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: jemalloc_tsd.So(.debug_info+0x3d): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol __je_tsd_tls                                                                       
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: jemalloc_tsd.So(.debug_info+0x1434): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol __je_tsd_initialized                                                             
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: xlocale.So(.debug_info+0x404): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol __thread_locale                                                                        
/usr/local/aarch64-freebsd/bin/ld: setrunelocale.So(.debug_info+0x3d): R_AARCH64_ABS64 used with TLS symbol _ThreadRuneLocale                                                                 
cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
*** [libc.so.7.full] Error code 1

Perhaps building an older version of FreeBSD on a newer one is not such a good idea… So I chose to install 11.0 first. That worked without problems. However… 11.0 was cut before the switch to LLVM 4.0 – which brought in a usable lld! For that reason 11.0 needed an external toolchain. Of course that version is not supported anymore so there are no packages for it around. To really build anything on 11.0 would mean that I’d first have to cross-compile a binutils package for it! I admit that this wasn’t terribly attractive to me – especially since I already had a way different goal.

Ok… So HEAD likely broke somewhere between r302409 and r343815 – that’s roughly 40,000 commits to check! Let’s just hope that it broke after FreeBSD on ARM64 became self-hosting…

Checking r330000 – it works! r340000? Broken. r335000: Still works. r337500: Nope. After a lot of deleting previous builds and source, checking out other old revisions and rebuilding kernel-toolchain and kernel (and hitting some versions that didn’t build on ARM in the first place), I found out that it was commit r336520 that broke FreeBSD on ThunderX: The vt_efifb device was added to the GENERIC kernel on ARM64. According to the commit, it was tested on PINE64 but obviously it does not work with ThunderX, yet.

Problem solved?

So if it’s just one line in the GENERIC configuration it should not be any problem to fix this, right? To test I checked out HEAD again, removed the line and rebuilt the kernel. And after rebuilding and installing once more – it booted just fine!

Then I restored the GENERIC config and wrote a custom kernel configuration instead:

/usr/src/sys/arm64/conf/THUNDERX:

include GENERIC
ident THUNDERX

nodevice        vt_efifb

I wrote to the mailing list that I had identified a problem with ThunderX and made proposals on how to unbreak HEAD.

An answer pointed out that a custom kernel was not even required: It suffices to set the loader tunable hw.syscons.disable to make HEAD work again! No need to remove the device from GENERIC. That’s even better! But what I actually wanted was 12.0 or 12-STABLE and not HEAD. Installing that however, I found that it’s… well. Broken!

It broke twice!

What’s going on here? Could it be that HEAD broke twice and the other problem was fixed in a later revision? I had no better explanation. So let’s get compiling for another few nights again and see…

r339436 is when HEAD was renamed to 13-CURRENT. Would it work just setting the loader tunable? Nope. I played the same game as before to eventually figure out that r338537 was the offending commit here. It’s message says that it’s increasing two values because of ThunderX – but unfortunately actually that broke the platform.

On to more compiling… Finally here’s the other commit: r343764 changed those values again in preparation for ThunderX2 – and accidentally fixed ThunderX, too! Unfortunately that wasn’t until after 12.0 was branched off.

Again it’s a rather simple patch to make 12-STABLE work:

--- sys/arm/arm/physmem.c.orig  2019-02-17 08:47:05.675448000 +0100
+++ sys/arm/arm/physmem.c       2019-02-17 08:48:53.209050000 +0100
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
  #include 
  __FBSDID("$FreeBSD: stable/12/sys/arm/arm/physmem.c 341760  
2018-12-09 06:46:53Z mmel $");

+#include "opt_acpi.h"
  #include "opt_ddb.h"

  /*
@@ -48,8 +49,13 @@
   * that can be allocated, or both, depending on the exclusion flags  
associated
   * with the region.
   */
+#ifdef DEV_ACPI
+#define MAX_HWCNT       32      /* ACPI needs more regions */
+#define MAX_EXCNT       32
+#else
  #define        MAX_HWCNT       16
  #define        MAX_EXCNT       16
+#endif

  #if defined(__arm__)
  #define        MAX_PHYS_ADDR   0xFFFFFFFFull

Fixing 12?

After I had a working 12 system, I wrote to the mailing list again, asking if the change could be MFC’d from r343764 into 12-STABLE.

Rod Grimes was nice enough to ping the developer who had made the commit. So far he hasn’t replied but I really hope that it’ll be possible to MFC the change. Because otherwise that would mean all of FreeBSD 12.x would remain broken – and that would definitely not be cool… If it is possible we’re likely to have a working 12.1 image when that version is out. 12.0 will remain broken, I guess.

Until we have a working version again, you can either install using 11.2 and build from (currently patched) source. Or you can try a fixed image that I build (if you trust me). What I did to build was this:

  1. svnlite co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/12 /usr/src
  2. cd /usr/src
  3. patch -i patchfile
  4. make -j 49 buildworld
  5. make -j 49 buildkernel
  6. edit stand/defaults/loader.conf to set hw.syscons.disable
  7. cd release
  8. make memstick NOPKG=1 NOPORTS=1 NOSRC=1 NODOC=1 WITH_COMPRESSED_IMAGES=1

Conclusion

Tier 1? Obviously we’re not quite there, yet. Booting off of ZFS does not work. There are no binary updates. Even with 12-STABLE I’ve been unable to get the NICs working – and you wouldn’t want to run a server with 4x10Gbit and one 40Gbit NICs using just a 1Gbit USB to ethernet adapter.

On the plus side, FreeBSD generally works and seems stable with UFS. Building from source using 49 threads works and so does building software from ports. I even installed Synth and ran the “build-everything” for over a day to put some serious load on the machine without any problems.

I’d like to at least get the network working, too, before that machine will turn into a penguin for production. Maybe I can set aside a few more hours at night. If I end up with anything noteworthy, I’ll follow-up on this post. Oh, and if anybody has any information on making it work, please let me know!

ZFS and GPL terror: How much freedom is there in Linux?

There has been a long debate about whether man is able to learn from history. I’d argue that we can – at least to some degree. One of the lessons that we could have learned by now is how revolutions work. They begin with the noblest of ideas that many followers wholeheartedly support and may even risk their lives for. They promise to rid the poor suppressed people of the dreaded current authorities. When they are over (and they didn’t fail obviously) they will have replaced the old authorities with – new authorities. These might be “better” (or rather: somewhat less bad) than the old ones if we’re lucky, but they are sure to be miles away from what the revolution promised to establish.

Death to the monopoly!

Do you remember Microsoft? No, not the modern “cloud first” company that runs Azure and bought Github. I mean good old Microsoft that used to dominate the PC market with their Windows operating system. The company that used their market position with Windows 3.x to FUD Digital Research and their superior DR-DOS out of the market by displaying a harmless line of text with a warning about possible compatibility issues. The company that spent time and resources on strategies to extinguish Open Source.

Yes, due to vendor lock-in (e.g. people needing software that only runs on Windows) and to laziness (just using whatever comes installed on a pc), they have maintained their dominance on the desktop. However the importance of it has been on a long decline: Even Microsoft have acknowledged this by demoting their former flagship product and even thinking of making it available for free. They didn’t quite take that extreme step, but it’s hard to argue that Windows still has the importance it had since the 1990’s up to the early 2010’s.

They’ve totally lost the mobile market – Windows Phone is dead – and are not doing too well in the server market, either.

A software Golden Age with Linux?

In both areas Linux has won: It’s basically everywhere today! Got a web-facing server? It’s quite likely running some Linux distro. With most smart phones on the planet it’s Android – using a modified Linux kernel – that drives them. And even in space – on the ISS – Linux is in use.

All of us who have fought against the evil monopoly could now be proud of what was accomplished, right? Right? Not so much. There’s a new monopolist out there, and while it’s adhering to Open Source principles by the letter, it has long since started actually violating the idea by turning it against us.

For those who do not deliberately look the other way, Linux has mostly destroyed POSIX. How’s that? By more or less absorbing it! If software is written with POSIX in mind, today that means it’s written to work on Linux. However POSIX was the idea to establish a common ground to ensure that software runs across all of the *nix platforms! Reducing it basically to one target shattered the whole vision to pieces. Just ask a developer working on a Unix-like OS that is not Linux about POSIX and the penguin OS… You’re not in for stories about respect and being considerate of other systems. One could even say that they have repeatedly acted quite rude and ignorant.

But that’s only one of the problems with Linux. There are definitely others – like people acting all high and mighty and bullying others. The reason for this post is one such case.

ZFS – the undesirable guest

ZFS is todays most advanced filesystem. It originated on the Solaris operating system and thanks to Sun’s decision to open it up, we have it available on quite a number of Unix-like operating systems. That’s just great! Great for everyone.

For everyone? Nope. There are people out there who don’t like ZFS. Which is totally fine, they don’t need to use it after all. But worse: There are people who actively hate ZFS and think that others should not use it. Ok, it’s nothing new that some random guys on the net are acting like assholes, trying to tell you what you must not do, right? Whoever has been online for more than a couple of days probably already got used to it. Unfortunately its still worse: One such spoilsport is Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux guru and informal second-in-command after Linus Torvalds.

There have been some attempts to defend the stance of this kernel developer. One was to point at the fact that the “ZFS on Linux” (ZoL) port uses two kernel functions, __kernel_fpu_begin() and __kernel_fpu_end(), which have been deprecated for a very long time and that it makes sense to finally get rid of them since nothing in-kernel uses it anymore. Nobody is going to argue against that. The problem becomes clear by looking at the bigger picture, though:

The need for functions doing just what the old ones did has of course not vanished. The functions have been replaced with other ones. And those ones are deliberately made GPL-only. Yes, that’s right: There’s no technical reason whatsoever! It’s purely ideology – and it’s a terrible one.

License matters

I’ve written about licenses in the past, making my position quite clear: It’s the authors right to choose whatever license he or she thinks is right for the project, but personally I would not recommend using pessimistic (copyleft) licenses since they do more harm than good.

While I didn’t have any plans to re-visit this topic anytime soon, I feel like I have to. Discussing the matter on a German tech forum, I encountered all the usual arguments and claims – most of which are either inappropriate or even outright wrong:

  • It’s about Open Source!
  • No it’s absolutely not. ZFS is Open Source.

  • Only copyleft will make sure that code remains free!
  • Sorry, ZFS is licensed under the CDDL – which is a copyleft license.

  • Sun deliberately made the CDDL incompatible with the GPL!
  • This is a claim supported primarily by one former employee of Sun. Others disagree. And even if it was verifiably true: What about Open Source values? Since when is the GPL the only acceptable Open Source license? (If you want to read more, user s4b dug out some old articles about Sun actually supporting GPLv3 and thinking about re-licensing OpenSolaris! The forum post is in German, but the interesting thing there is the links.)

  • Linux owes its success to the GPL! Every Open Source project needs to adopt it!
  • This is a pretty popular myth. Like every myth there’s some truth to it: Linux benefited from the GPL. If it had been licensed differently, it might have benefited from that other license. Nobody can prove that it benefited more from the GPL or would have from another license.

  • The GPL is needed, because otherwise greedy companies will suck your project dry and close down your code!
  • This has undoubtedly happened. Still it’s not as much of a problem as some people claim: They like to suggest that formerly free code somehow vanishes when used in proprietary projects. Of course that’s not true. What those people actually dislike is that a corporation is using free code for commercial products. This can be criticized, but it makes sense to do that in an honest way.

  • Linux and BSD had the same preconditions. Linux prospers while BSD is dying and has fallen into insignificance! You see the pattern?
  • *sign* Looks like you don’t know the history of Unix…

  • You’re an idiot. Whenever there’s a GPL’d project and a similar one that’s permissively licensed, the former succeeds!
  • I bet you use Mir (GPL) or DirectFB (LGPL) and not X.org or Wayland (both MIT), right?

What we can witness here is the spirit of what I’d describe as GPL supremacist. The above (and more) attacks aren’t much of a problem. They are usually pretty weak and the GPL zealots get enraged quite easy. It’s the whole idea to trade the values of Open Source for religious GPL worship (Thou shalt not have any licenses before me!) that’s highly problematic.

And no, I’m not calling everybody who supports the idea of the GPL a zealot. There are people who use the license because it fits their plans for a piece of software and who can make very sensible points for why they are using it. I think that in general the GPL is far from being the best license out there, but that’s my personal preference. It’s perfectly legitimate to use the GPL and to promote it – it is an Open Source license after all! And it’s also fine to argue about which license is right for some project.

My point here is that those overzealous people who try to actually force others to turn towards the GPL are threatening license freedom and that it’s time to just say “no” to them.

Are there any alternatives?

Of course there are alternatives. If you are concerned about things like this (whether you are dependent on modules that are developed out-of-kernel or not), you might want to make 2019 the year to evaluate *BSD. Despite repeated claims, BSD is not “dying” – it’s well alive and innovative. Yes there are areas where it’s lacking behind, which is no wonder considering that there’s a much smaller community behind it and far less companies pumping money into it. There are companies interested in seeing BSD prosper, though. In fact even some big ones like Netflix, Intel and others.

Linux developer Christoph Hellwig actually advises to switch to FreeBSD in a reply to a person who has been a Linux advocate for a long time but depends on ZFS for work. And that recommendation is not actually a bad one. A monopoly is never a good thing. Not even for Linux. It makes sense to support the alternatives out there, especially since there are some viable options!

Speaking about heterogenous environments: Have you heard of Verisign? They run the registry for .com and .net among other things. They’ve built their infrastructure 1/3 on Linux, 1/3 on FreeBSD and 1/3 on Solaris for ultra-high resiliency. While that might be an excellent choice for critical services, it might be hard for smaller companies to find employees that are specialized in those operating systems. But bringing in a little BSD into your Linux-only infrastructure might be a good idea anyway and in fact even lead to future competitive advantage.

FreeBSD is an excellent OS for your server and also well fit if you are doing embedded development. It’s free, ruled by a core team elected by the developers, and available under the very permissive BSD 2-clause license. While it’s completely possible to run it as a desktop, too (I do that on all of my machines both private and at work and it has been my daily driver for a couple of years now), it makes sense to look at a desktop-focused project like GhostBSD or Project Trident for an easy start.

So – how important is ZFS to you – and how much do you value freedom? The initial difficulty that the ZOL project had has been overcome – however they are just working around it. The potential problem that non-GPL code has when working closely with Linux remains. Are you willing to look left and right? You might find that there’s some good things out there that actually make life easier.

Ravenports explained: Why not just join XYZ?

As the year comes to an end, I’ve seen quite some interest in my previous post. There has been a question on Reddit what the benefit(s) of Raven over Pkgsrc might be and why the developers don’t simply join an existing effort instead of building something new.

I’ve touched on this topic about half a year ago, but I think the question is worth a detailed reply that fully covers both parts of it. So I’ll try to answer 1) why Ravenports exists in the first place and 2) what sets it apart from Pkgsrc and other ports systems.

Why maintain Ravenports instead of working on Pkgsrc?

Well, obviously because its author felt it was worthwhile to start and maintain the project! Of course that leads to another and more important question – why didn’t John Marino just join e.g. Pkgsrc instead? The answer to that is: Well… He did.

John got his NetBSD commit bit and became a Pkgsrc developer back in the day when DragonflyBSD still used Pkgsrc by default. He maintained a ton of ports there and made sure that other people’s ports still worked on DF after they had been updated. DragonflyBSD had been considered a first-class citizen by Pkgsrc. However there had been two big problems:

1) Being primarily a NetBSD project, Pkgsrc development takes place mostly on NetBSD of course. Things were tested on NetBSD and then committed. There was no testing done on the other supported platforms – which is a completely comprehensible decision given the amount of ports available and the number of supported platforms as well as the need to get software updated in a somewhat timely manner! However this lead to frequent breakage. A few suggestions that made sense from the Dragonfly perspective could not be agreed upon taking the whole of Pkgsrc into account. In the end the policy was: “If things in the tree break for your platform, go ahead and fix it.” So basically the answer to problem 1 was: “Throw more manpower at it.”

2) As the small project that DragonflyBSD is, there simply were not too many people available for this task however. In fact it was largely John alone who did most of the work with some help here and there. It’s impossible to spend resources that you don’t have available!

As you can see problem 1 causes problem 2 – and that one proved to be unfixable. Thus the problems with Pkgsrc grew and there was really not much that could have been done about it. And as the suggestions to somewhat relieve the worst impact were turned down, Dragonfly had to give up Pkgsrc. Please keep in mind that there’s a major difference between how Dragonfly used Pkgsrc and how some other platforms do. Sure, it’s great that you can use Pkgsrc on AIX to obtain some current software. Same thing for many other systems. Dragonfly used Pkgsrc just as NetBSD does, though: As the primary means to get software installed. Large-scale breakage of packages is a no-go in such a case, especially if it happens somewhat often and was bound to happen again and again.

Ok – another project then. Adapt the FPC maybe?

John then brought the new FreeBSD package manager as well as the FreeBSD ports collection over to Dragonfly with a system called “delta ports” or Dports. It’s basically an overlay with patches that Dfly requires to build those ports. Even though the FPC is meant for FreeBSD only and Pkgsrc – being cross-platform – might seem like the more logical candidate, this worked out a lot better and John maintained Dports for years.

In maintaining so many ports for both Pkgsrc and Dports he had a quite few ideas on how to do things better. They wouldn’t fit into the projects as they were organized, though. So he begun playing with various things on his own. Then… FreeBSD introduced flavored ports.

Don’t get me wrong here: I’m a FreeBSD user and I’m glad that flavored ports are finally available. However from a technical point of view they are implemented in a way that’s far from perfect. This is no wonder, though: When the ports tree was first introduced, nobody thought of flavors. What we have today is a fine example of a feature implemented as an afterthought. It works, yes, but it meant a disrupting change and broke expectations of all ports-related programs. It also made maintaining Dports much, much more time-intensive – to the point where it becomes no longer feasible to keep it up.

What does Ravenports have to offer over Pkgsrc?

Just like every younger project, Ravenports has the considerable advantage of starting fresh without the burden of choices that seemed right in the past but were probably regretted later. If this is combined with the will to learn from previous attempts to get packaging right as well as considerable experience with those, this has a lot of potential.

Think about it for a moment: FreeBSD’s ports collection shipped with the 1.0 release of the OS – and thus was created back in 1993. Pkgsrc began as a fork of it in 1997. So both were originally designed in a decade that has long passed (and in fact not even in this millennium!). Yes, both have been modernized over time. There are limits to this, however. It can be pretty hard to integrate new features into a structure that never meant to support anything like that. Do you think anybody in the mid 90’s could have thought about the needs of today? Ravenports deliberately does not support some old cruft. It’s meant for the coming decade of the 2020’s.

Here’s some strong points where Raven is ahead of Pkgsrc:

  • Tooling:
  • It offers a modern, integrated solution. There’s one control program (“ravenadm”) that deals with everything regarding Ravenports: It’s used to configure the package building system, it fetches the buildsheets (ports) and keeps them up to date, it builds all the packages or a subset thereof, …

  • Pristine package builds:
  • Everything is built in a chroot sandbox specifically assembled for that build process. There is no way that build dependencies clutter your build system (chances are you don’t want to use m4 or automake yourself and thus don’t need them installed on the OS). There’s also no way that installed packages of your system pollute the packages that Raven builds: The isolation prevents e.g. linking against additional stuff that you didn’t mean to.

  • It’s fast:
  • Did you ever run a bulk-build for Pkgsrc packages? Ravenports optimizes build times on modern systems by taking advantage of memory disks and such. The port scan alone makes a huge difference.

  • Potentially package manager agnostic:
  • Currently Raven supports only the Pkg package manager but as all it does is build packages, it was designed to support additional package managers if needed. You actually want it to generate rpm or pacman packages? Not currently implemented but certainly possible if desired.

  • Powerful default package manager:
  • Pkg, a modern tool for package management, is quite capable. If you read the manpages for it you will find out that it’s loaded with useful features. The old pkg_tools that Pkgsrc still use totally pale in comparison – and rightfully so.

  • Easy administration of multiple repos:
  • Need multiple repositories? No problem. Just create profiles for them. E.g. one that uses LibreSSL and another one that links against OpenSSL instead. Also you can choose the default version of Perl, Python, Ruby, ect. to use. And you can choose if MySQL should be Oracle’s MySQL, MariaDB, Galera, ect.

  • Convenient use of custom ports:
  • Can you use custom ports that are not in the official buildsheet collection? Sure thing. You can create directories for your custom ports and even use different ones in different profiles. Want to change an existing port? Just place one with the same name in your custom port directory and it will override the original one. Buildsheets from custom ports are generated automatically so there’s no hassle there. It probably doesn’t get much more convenient!

  • Variants and subpackages:
  • Package variants (i.e. “flavors”) and subpackages are not an afterthought and are thus used excessively right from the beginning. This makes package management with Raven very flexible.

  • Testing:
  • The Ravenports system has very strict rules for buildsheets. If the ravenadm tool considers a port to be valid, it is almost guaranteed that it is actually fine. Also packages can not only be mass-built but they can also be tested automatically as well (Is the RPATH ok? Are all required shared objects available? Is the manifest file complete? Are the required descriptions in place? Is the license ok or lacking? Things like that).

  • Automation:
  • Ravenports tries to automate many things that do not actually need human attention. For example quite often Python-related ports can be auto-generated. This saves time and effort of the maintainers that can be better spent on other things.

  • Modern day development:
  • Want to contribute something? It’s extremely easy. If you have a GitHub account you’re all set: Fork the git repo, make your changes, then commit and push them. Now all that’s left is opening a Pull Request. Yes, that’s all. If you don’t have a GH account, create one. Or send us patches as it was traditionally done. Ravenadm will happily create a template for you to assist you if you want to contribute a new port.

  • No ports ownership:
  • In Ravenports nobody “owns” a port. If you submitted one you become a contact for it. If somebody wants to make major changes to the port, that person is expected to contact you and communicate the proposals. Small or trivial changes however (like a simple version upgrade) can be done by anybody. This ensures rapid development and very fast adoption of new versions even if the original porter does not currently have the time to maintain everything in a timely manner.

  • Fast releases:
  • Ravensource provides new releases quite often. This way you can get pretty fresh software early on. There is no fixed time frame for it, though: Releases are made when it makes sense. If there have been major changes to the tree the next release might be delayed for testing.

  • Binary bootstrap:
  • Ravenports has a very simple and fast bootstrap process that makes use of binary packages for the respective platform. No system compiler required! Raven brings in its own full toolchain.

There are of course cases where it makes sense to use Pkgsrc and it’s not too hard to find any: E.g. if you need packages for a platform that’s unsupported in Raven or if you need software not yet available there. In the end this is Open Source: We’re all friends and using the right tool for the job makes sense.

Couldn’t Ports/Pkgsrc be modernized?

I’ve used Pkgsrc both in private and at work and I’m pretty happy that it’s available when I need it. But I don’t like the old pkg_tools much. They do their job but they are far from modern programs and really feel like relics today. And while I’m pretty happy with FreeBSD’s ports, those aren’t portable (and for some reason I’ve never been completely happy with Poudriere, FreeBSD’s package builder).

Before finally creating Ravenports, John wrote Synth, a very nice package builder for FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD that supports Ports/Dports. It has been put on hold in favor of Raven, but it is still maintained and I continue to use it on FreeBSD to build my packages.

John also created Pkgsrc-synth. It’s a version of Pkgsrc that uses the Pkg package manager. I’ve never tried it out – but it was stopped exactly two month ago as there seems to not have been any interest from the Pkgsrc people. I think this is a pitty, as pkg is really nice and has the right license for any BSD project. It could have been a chance to move Pkgsrc into a more modern direction. But meh.

Conclusion

Raven does not exist because everything else sucks. It exists because all the other candidates proved to not quite fit the needs of Ravenport’s author. As such it is a chance to keep the good parts of its various precursors that it heavily draws inspiration from. It’s a chance to combine these good parts to make something awesome. And it’s a chance to implement a lot of new ideas that should make sense in modern-day *nix package building which – for various reasons – cannot have a place in the old projects.

There’s still a lot of work to do, but we’re getting there. In my previous post I wrote that one of the big shortcomings was the lack of Rust. In the meantime Rust support has landed for DragonflyBSD, FreeBSD and Linux.

If there are any more questions feel free to post them here. I’m not on Reddit and I just saw the above question by accident. So I cannot promise to answer anywhere else than here.

Happy new year everyone!

One year of flying with the Raven: Ready for the Desktop?

It has been a little over one year now that I’m with the Ravenports project. Time to reflect my involvement, my expectations and hopes.

Ravenports

Ravenports is a universal packaging framework for *nix operating systems. For the user it provides easy access to binary packages of common software for multiple platforms. It has been the long-lasting champion on Repology’s top 10 repositories regarding package freshness (rarely dropping below 96 percent while all other projects keep below 90!).

For the porter it offers a well-designed and elegant means of writing cross-platform buildsheets that allow building the same version of the software with (completely or mostly) the same compile-time configuration on different operating systems or distributions.

And for the developer it means a real-world project that’s written in modern Ada (ravenadm) and C (pkg) – as well as some Perl for support scripts and make. Things feel very optimized and fast. Not being a programmer though, I cannot really say anything about the actual code and thus leave it to the interested reader’s judgement.

If you’re interested in a more comprehensive introduction to Ravenports, I’ve written one half a year ago.

Platforms

Ravenports has initially been developed on DragonFly BSD. When I became aware of it, it had already been ported to work on Linux, too. I liked the idea of the project, but had no DF or Linux boxes available for tinkering and didn’t feel like setting one up. Thus I moved on.

As I checked back a little later, FreeBSD support had been added. Since I had just lost my excuse not to try it out right away, I started playing with it – and was pretty happy. At that time I had trouble to get a port that I wrote into FreeBSD’s Ports Collection and thought that Raven could be an excellent playground to learn something and get a bit of experience that might help me later with FreeBSD.

The Xfce4 desktop – installed via Raven

I’ve long changed my mind, though! Raven is rather similar to FreeBSD’s ports system in many ways but where it differs it’s clearly superior. Also I love the cross-platform aspect and thus Raven is simply the better place for me to make home.

This year saw the introduction of Solaris/Illumos support that I tried out on OmniOS. Also Darwin support landed, upping the count of supported platforms to 5 already! Not too bad for a young project, huh? While Raven does work on all five platforms now it does so to varying degrees. But more on that later.

General activity

The Ravenports project consists of multiple Git repositories hosted on GitHub. The first one is Ravensource which most importantly holds the “raw” ports as they are written by the porters. It’s the most busy repo with over 5.200 commits since March 2017 (including almost 500 by me).

Then there’s the actual Ravenports repo that mostly contains the buildsheets which are compiled from Ravensource. It has over 1.400 commits right now.

Installing the xfce-single-core meta-package

Finally there’s the repo for the Ravenadm command-line tool. It’s approaching 900 commits since February 2017.

There’s still more to Raven like the Pkg package manager from FreeBSD (that was modified to add Zstd compression support) or libbsd4sol, a portability library which allows building code on Solaris that uses BSDisms (which was needed to add support for that platform to Raven). Most of the work on all repos was done by John alone.

With over 100 pull requests and more than 20 issues it’s clear now that there’s some interest in the project. Raven is still very small, though, with 6 people haveing contributed ports so far. After learning the basics and opening pull requests for half a year, I’ve been granted write-access to the source repository. Just recently I was able to push my 100th active port (there have been ports that became obsolete and were removed).

In general I’d say that there could of course be more people around and that the project would benefit from being able to provide more packages – though more than 3.200 is not bad at all! Also it’s good that there seems to be a growing user base which is even more important than having more porters join in. From my point of view, Raven is a healthy and fast-moving project. Still young, but doing well and heading in the right direction.

Major changes

There have been some pretty big changes that happened with Raven over time. Initially John started with a GCC6-based toolchain, only to switch to GCC7 when that was released. That was before my time with the project, but I witnessed the switch to GCC8.

Changing the toolchain certainly is a major interruption and most people are advised to just wait for the official repository to be re-rolled and then update. I had some bad luck in this regard – literally the day after I finally completed a working (and almost complete) set of basic packages for the FreeBSD_i386 platform, I faced the change to GCC8. Due to a lack of time I still haven’t repeated the switch on i386 (but I still plan to do it sometime).

The thunar file manager

Other changes that always have a huge impact (causing lots and lots of packages to be rebuilt) is adopting a new version (as well as dropping an old one) of the popular interpreter languages like Python, Perl and Ruby. Ravenports always supports two versions of Perl and Ruby and two versions of Python 3 (as well as 2.7 for now). So when Python 3.7 was released, 3.5 was removed and Perl 5.24 had to go when 5.28 was added.

Recently the former LLVM port that included everything regarding LLVM was split (LLVM, Clang, lld, openmp). Also now and then new statements are added to Ravenadm, so that old versions cannot work with a new release of the buildsheet repository (which is called “conspiracy”). But this is pretty easy to work around compared to the changes mentioned before.

So on the whole, Raven has proven that it can easily stand even big changes. For me this is essential to build faith in a project. And Raven is doing well in this regard.

Desktop-ready?

There are lots of people who will want to use Raven on servers. That’s totally fine of course. But for a project as ambitious as Ravenports, it’s necessary to provide a somewhat comfortable environment for the developers and the users alike. If it doesn’t manage to become a daily driver for people it cannot succeed.

For that reason I decided to work towards good desktop support for the little dev machine that I dedicated to my work on the project. When I started, X11 was already working and Openbox had freshly landed in the repos. So I had a simplistic environment to work with: Openbox + Xterm. However I could not even change my keyboard layout! Therefor I wrote a port for setxkbmap and eventually it was accepted as the first outside contribution to the project.

The Surf web browser

Next I did some work to get the FLTK toolkit and the EDE desktop in. Then I added my favorite terminal emulator, Sakura. This worked out pretty well and the biggest shortcoming at the end of 2017 was that there was no real graphical browser available. A lot has changed since then!

Desktop choices

Today you can choose between multiple window managers, both floating and tiling:

  • twm
  • cwm
  • openbox
  • fluxbox
  • xfwm4
  • pekwm
  • i3

And in case you prefer a real desktop environment, there are also several available:

  • Lumina (moderate, Qt-based)
  • Xfce4 (somewhat light-weight, GTK-based)
  • EDE (extremely frugal and minimalistic, FLTK-based)

Two graphical web browsers are available, Surf (which is deliberately simplistic and does not even support tabs) as well as an old version of Firefox (the last one that builds without Rust). This is certainly not perfect but much better than a year before.

Also other important programs are available, including LibreOffice! Last month the Apache webserver landed – which is a pretty complex port compared to many others.

Shortcomings

Are there packages you’ll miss? Most certainly. However there’s a wishlist now with ports that people would like to see created (please feel free to add more requests there). And that’s another good step ahead. Currently it’s almost 120 items long. Fortunately there’s been some success, too, and 26 requested ports have been created and taken of the list so far.

There are some future ports that will require lots of effort (hint: Help wanted!). The most important one that blocks some other important ports is the Rust compiler. There has been some work done on this but it’s not done, yet. Another real beast is TeX. This totally must be supported at some point. Current versions of Firefox and Chromium are often asked for. And somebody even requested Eclipse (which needs Java!). So there’s definitely more than enough work to do.

Using Raven on Linux works, but there are some flaws. Initially the Pkg package manager used to crash quite often. John traced that back to a bug in the version of SQlite that’s used internally by Pkg: The problem only struck on Linux and was fixed by using a newer version instead. While it’s much better now, there’s still the occasional problem with it.

While the packages from the repo work finde on Solaris 10u8 and above as well als Illumos, the exact version 10u8 is currently required to build packages. This is due to Solaris not being able to work with older system libraries in the build chroot. It would be great to haven an alternative ravensys-root for any Illumos distribution (OmniOS, SmartOS, Tribblix, …) available so that interested people without access to that specific closed-source Solaris version can develop Raven on that platform.

I don’t know how well Raven works on Darwin. Since I don’t have access to any macOS machines and PureDarwin is not really ready, yet, there’s currently no chance for me to test it. I intend to buy an older MacBook or something in the future, though, if I come across a fair offer and have some money available to spend on my hobby.

Some ports are not available on one platform or the other: Illumos mostly because they’d require patches to build and Linux often because it relies on additional libraries that have not yet been added to Raven. And then there’s a lot of packages that are mostly untested. All of these issues can be fixed, of course. All of those require a larger user-base, though. So it’s probably the best strategy to keep working on making Raven attractive to more users and address things when the right people show up.

What’s to come?

Currently Raven uses the primordial X11 input drivers (xf86-input-keyboard and xf86-input-mouse) on all platforms. In 2013 Linux pioneered support for generic input drivers by exposing the kernels “event devices”. Not too much later many Linux distributions adopted xf86-input-evdev. In 2014 there was a GSOC project to add evdev support for FreeBSD. Like many projects it came along a good part of the way but eventually was left unfinished. It was picked up and completed by a FreeBSD developer in 2016.

Xfce’s settings and applications menu

To use it, a special kernel had to be built so it would expose /dev/input device nodes. Then a sysctl had to be set – and eventually X11 had to be patched for emulated udev support… Why would anybody want to do all this just for different input drivers? Multi-touch support is just one valid reason. Another one is that having evdev-based input drivers is half the way to eventually support libinput, too. And that is one of the prerequisites for Wayland!

This month FreeBSD has finally enabled evdev support in the GENERIC kernel in both -CURRENT and 12-STABLE. That means the upcoming FreeBSD 12.0 will not support it out of the box, but most likely a future 12.1 will. Dragonfly BSD has also grown support for event devices and people are interested in working towards Wayland. I hope that we’ll be able to get xf86-input-evdev working with our X11 (on Dragonfly, FreeBSD and Linux) next year,

I’m taking a little break from Xfce now (but plan to port most of the remaining components later to make it a well-supported DE in Raven). There are a few things I have planned like adding Linux support for OpenVPN (it depends on some libraries and programs that are Linux only which are not yet in Raven). Also I intend to take a look at adding some more Qt5 components and write a few requested ports. And finally I want to write another post next year – a tutorial on using Ravenports and creating new ports.

So keep flying with us – it’s exciting times!

Ravenports: Status update and the Dragonfly case

This is part three of a series of posts on cross-platform package management. The previous posts contained general thoughts about software packaging today and a somewhat in-depth overview on the Ravenports package system.

In this post I want to give some more background on why Ravenports might be interesting to some people and explain the Dragonfly case. I’ll also give you a little status update.

Real-world use case: Package homogenization

As mentioned in the previous post, Ravenports currently supports DragonflyBSD, FreeBSD-amd64, Linux-glibc-x86_64 and Solaris/Illumos-amd64.

There are of course minor differences between the platforms: The shadow package is only available on Linux because the other systems use different ways for scrambling user passwords, there’s no fuse for Dragonfly because that is not supported there and iocage is FreeBSD-only because it’s a jail manager. Also some packages don’t build on the SunOS platform, yet, because they need additional patches. When I wrote my previous post, e.g. the xorg-server package was not available for SunOS. It is now, though it’s not of too much use, because the Xorg drivers aren’t. Still you can see things are moving in the right direction.

Other than those special cases, Raven is consistent across all supported platforms (which is one of the major features that caught my attention after all): You can get packages of the same version on Linux and FreeBSD (and the other platforms) and – as much as feasible – they are also configured alike. It’s not guaranteed that the official repositories hold the same package versions at all times. If you require that, you currently have to roll your own repos but that’s not hard to do at all (I’ll write about actually using Raven in detail in a future post).

As I’m working in a heterogeneous environment, it is my hope that Raven will take a lot of the headaches away that result from native package management in the Linux jungle (Ubuntu has one version, Debian ships another, CentOS is stuck with an ancient one and patches is to use a different directory structure, … you get the point) and as a bonus offers the same version on *BSD. I’m pretty sure that I’m not alone in this jungle and while most of us are able to survive there, few would deny that it does require a big machete and some teeth grinding from time to time. It’s ok – but can’t we use our time for better things? I think so.

The Dragonfly case

At home I’m more or less exclusively a FreeBSD user and that’s the platform that I do my porting work on. I have in fact never seriously run Dragonfly – not actually because of a lack of interest in it but rather due to a very limited set of hardware available to me. I’ve never found a spare piece of hardware among my pool that would run the OS well. Still I’m dedicating most of this post to DragonflyBSD. Why? Because Raven is in a special position there.

As you may know, DragonflyBSD is by far the smallest of the four “big” BSD projects (some actually talk about only three and leave out Dfly). They are doing an amazing job for the little manpower that they have, but all small projects struggle to keep up with changes going on in the open-source ecosystem. Run your desktop on a *nix machine? Simply ask your package manager how many packages you have installed to make that possible and get a rough idea on just how much work needs to be put into maintaining all of them.

Most OSes and distributions maintain their own source repositories. Dragonfly never had the manpower to even consider this (also they have way different focus than just doing again what everybody else does). Historically this is why they used Pkgsrc as this portable package system looked like a great option for Dragonfly. A lot of work was put into it, but there were quite some issues with it.

Pkgsrc on Dragonfly

Some were of technical nature: Pkgsrc can do binary packages, but if you know other package managers, the old tools really pale in comparison. There were conflicts in the release model, as Pkgsrc’s quarterly releases were not well fit for Dfly. But most importantly: A lot of packages were really outdated and where updates did occur so did breakage.

Updates were only tested against NetBSD and so it happened quite often that a single update broke anything from a couple to thousands (!) of ports for DragonflyBSD. Not even in the latter case would Pkgsrc suggest to revert the update that caused so much trouble – Dragonfly was expected to fix all of the fallout themselves. To be fair, there surely was no intention to break anything. But there simply weren’t any test farms either, so even if porters would have liked to care better for Dfly, it wouldn’t have been easy for them.

For technical problems there’s usually a solution, especially if people are involved who both are knowledgeable on the topic and show great dedication. What’s difficult to solve however, are political problems. And that’s what arose in the relationship between Dragonfly and Pkgsrc: DragonflyBSD has officially been a first-class citizen and thus on-par with NetBSD. But because of the frequent breakage, Dragonfly users felt differently about it. Unfortunately, multiple attempts and suggestions made to improve the situation also led to nothing.

In the end it became clear that Pkgsrc primarily is NetBSD’s package system. Since one of NetBSD’s primary goals is portability, Pkgsrc is of course also portable. This portability comes at a price, though – and that price is the need for a whole army of Pkgsrc maintainers to support an OS besides NetBSD well. As Pkgsrc was chosen due to the lack of manpower, this fact learned the hard way, showed that it wasn’t the right solution.

Dports

Searching for a different one, John Marino stepped forward in creating an alternative: Dports.

In a nutshell this meant bringing FreeBSD’s new package manager (pkg a.k.a. “pkg-ng”) to Dragonfly as well as FreeBSD’s ports – with the changes necessary to make those build on this platform. It was a huge task but the advantages over the old system were big enough for the project to make sense. Eventually DragonflyBSD ditched Pkgsrc after more than half a decade and adopted Dports. If you want to know more, you can e.g. read the old comments here.

Of course Dports is not a “do once” effort; it constantly requires work to keep all the ports in sync with newer versions in FreeBSD’s ports collection where the active development takes place. And John didn’t have enough, he continued to experiment with packaging, writing Synth. He didn’t like some of the aspects of FreeBSD’s ports collection and on the other hand wanted features that were unlikely to find their way into the FPC.

Then FreeBSD introduced flavored ports. According to John, Dports had in general been less work for more packages available in comparison to Pkgsrc. However breakage still is an issue. And since the flavor-related changes in FreeBSD this has become much worse. So over time things have become more pressing for a real and permanent solution.

Ravenports to completely replace Dports?

John had been thinking about new ways of package creation for a long time. With Synth he now had his own package building system and with package numbers increasing far beyond the point of somewhat acceptable maintainance requirements, he decided to give a new project a try after all and this evolved into what is Ravenports today.

Currently John Marino is working on Ravenports while still keeping Dports up to date. Last month he announced that he’d like to step down from working on Dports because he considers his time better spend on Raven. The big question is now: Will somebody volunteer to claim maintainership for Dports? So far it doesn’t look like it. Which means: After more than 5 years in existence, Dports might actually go away. Ravenports might replace it as the official packaging system on DragonflyBSD.

For that reason John has asked the community what packages are important for people. Again, I’m not a Dragonfly user, but I’ve been very surprised by the response of the community – or rather the lack of it. Only a few people have responded so far and this makes me wonder if the majority of Dragonfly users have either missed this totally or didn’t realize what it means.

I’m convinced that Ravenports definitely is the superior system. However a transition would have a huge impact. When Dragonfly switched from Pkgsrc to Dports it meant that a whole lot more package were available. In case of a possible switch to Ravenports the opposite would happen: There’s roughly 30,500 packages in Dports currently while at the moment the Dragonfly repository of Ravenports holds exactly 3,600 packages!

Yes, the numbers cannot be compared 1:1, but it’s not too hard to see that it would mean a dramatic decrease in packages being available. On the plus side, software versions in Ravenports are often much newer than the same program available on FreeBSD. More and more packages will be added to Raven – but this takes time. For that reason it’s very important that you tell us what software you depend on so that it can be added with higher priority.

What’s being done

Some packages have already been identified to be a problem. An important one is Firefox. Ravenports has it available in the latest ESR version that doesn’t require Rust. But web browsers don’t age very well and newer versions of Firefox are practically a must-have. Rust cannot be easily added, however – it’s another problematic package. A third example is everything TeX which is a beast of a project.

One user requested more components of the Xfce desktop. I had started porting Xfce for my previous article anyway and I’m planning to either port the complete desktop or at least the most important parts. Next is Thunar, Xfce’s file manager. But to give you an idea of what this means: Before I can even think about porting it, I need to get in a whole lot of dependencies first. A quick look at it showed that I might have to create up to 30 ports for that (including some that probably won’t be trivial). So that’s not work for one or two weeks but instead will likely take a lot longer.

Also I’m doing some work on getting FreeBSD-i386 working. It’s in fact mostly done; I have some changed ports that I need to commit and one last package doesn’t work to publish an i386 repo that is self-hosting. However this is more or less a thing that I’m doing for fun and to learn.

If I succeed with that, I plan on backporting Raven to FreeBSD 10 (amd64) and then 9. The reason for that is that I hope to make it run on MidnightBSD. It is a fork of FreeBSD and technically close to 9. As another (even smaller) BSD it also has the known problems in keeping up with all current package versions in their mports. So it could make sense to join efforts. But this is just an idea, I haven’t approached Lucas Holt, yet, and I won’t before I have something to show off.

Another platform that will likely be supported, is MacOS, further backing Ravenport’s promise of being a universal package system. And Linux support will be improved in the future as well. Currently distributions that ship very old versions of glibc (e.g. RedHat) cannot use Raven’s packages. Possible solutions to that are being discussed.

How YOU can help

Are you running a *nix operating system supported by Ravenports? In that case you can help. Do the bootstrap and start using it – it’ll install to /raven by default so there should be no conflicts with your other package system. If you’re using it, please provide feedback and create issues if you find problems! The more people actually use the packages, the more confident we can all be that those work well on all platforms.

If you have a little more interest in packaging systems, you can try to create a port and see if you like it. It does help if you’re familiar with FreeBSD’s ports, Dports or really any other package system, but that’s not a requirement. I started with practically no prior knowledge and now after less than a year, I’m maintaining over 80 ports. I’m not a programmer and don’t know much about Make and such. For me it has been a great learning experience.

Oh, and if I can do it, so can you. I intend to write another post on using Raven and at least one more about writing your own ports. If you want to give it a try before, feel free to contact me, I’ll try to help. Also any questions are appreciated so I get a better idea if what I should write about.